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There again, some of us have brothers, sisters, Dads, Mums, cousins, close friends etc that are in that vein and we still love them just the same and haven't yet abandoned them, though it may have been touch and go sometimes. Today Mrs. Kasabian was granted a two-week delay before entering a plea in the Tate murder case to enable her In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. She ran with it all the way until the penalty phase. In the most beloved profession in America we are trained to disregard the Parry Mason notion of courtrooms: someone actually out and out lying on the witness stand. Later, Robert That was some eye opening insight. They had a second child together, and Robert Kasabian left for South America. In view of the unbelievably savage nature of these murders, and in view of the fact that hardly anything at all was taken from either the Tate or the LaBianca residences, and in view of all the other evidence in this case, including the statements of Manson, Watson, and Atkins that I have just referred to, a conclusion that these seven murders were perpetrated to help carry out some burglary or robbery would not seem to be consistent with the evidence in this case. Ok- Ill be devils advocate.Where does light fusioninto anything with Linda? Please make it stop.' The people I have met who support Charlie cant stand her. Linda, who was hoping for a reconciliation with Robert,[4] returned to Los Angeles to live with him in Topanga Canyon. That's 3 times in a week. WebIn March of 1968, Linda and Bob had their first child, Tanya. WebLOS ANGELES, Aug. 4 Linda Kasabian, the prosecutions key witness in the Charles Manson trial, withstood her third day of intense cross-examination yesterday without changing her story of the Tate-LaBianca murders.. Because the socialist told me to vote for her, despite only weeks earlier being the leader of a revolution against the 1%. That's about all I have to say. I'll stop now. They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. She was a former member of the notorious Manson family cult. not long after the events in question. I can't see what some of those details would substantially change. The investigations of these were already in progress, along with the intensive news media coverage of the murders. "That Bugliosi doesn't speak contemptuously about her should always be balanced by the fact that in commenting on her life at the time, what he says is often negative. Let's save our sympathies only for those He deems good. Right off the bat, any person with the capacity for critical thinking should question that. I suspect most of "the people affected by what she helped do" just want to live their lives and not be pursued by or pestered by anonymous internetters.My historical interest is not in any of them, though my heart goes out to them. Kids who got in trouble in school and did not finish high school- and most of them don't go on to become murderers. [7], On August 8, 1969, Kasabian claimed Manson directed her to gather a knife, a change of clothing and her driver's license, then to accompany three other members of the family, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel and do what Watson told her to. IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. Squeaky Fromme, David K Frazier. But, again, all good. I can't kill anyone"[4]), and she was the only member of the group to express remorse and sympathy for the victims. [Her statement obviously threw Bugliosi]A. how many dogs can you have in henderson, nv. The more I've listened to people that were around and active in that period, the more I've watched and read, the more I can see that there was a wind blowing that caught many in it's slipstream and so many young people with similar upbringings had similar feelings and ended up in many different directions, some exciting and 'positive,' some not.Even some men that fought in Vietnam committed atrocities that they would never have perpetrated elsewhere or in any other situation; neither were there any clues in their upbringings as to some of these things happening. "Because I don't have that kind of thing in me, to do something so animalistic", she replied. In a 2016 Rolling Stone article on the current status of Manson Family members still living, it was said she had been "living in near poverty". Manson Mythos saidHere is a fact: Krenwinkel never said the motive was Helter SkelterShe definitely believed in it though. yeah, let's all comply with Saint. Not only that, they all happened to be dramatic and under the surfaces lurks alternative and more reasonable possibilities.For example: Bugliosi had a problem. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. "[8] Approaching the house from the driveway, Kasabian was met by Frykowski, who was running out the front door. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. Manson doesn't want any slack, he's campaigned fairly vigorously to be the Face of Evil. You know, had she said those things during her first trial and got death, then the death penalty was overturned as it was, she'd possibly be out now. Like how about BILL Clinton. And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. Damn that clock radio. And if robbery or burglary had been the motive, there wouldn't have been any need to print the words in the victims' blood at the scene of both residences. So did she really have a valid license as was presented in court? She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8_N-eBm_4Bill Clinton in London during 'Nam was a CIA plant who spied on the Anti-war protesters. )I don't see her as having a personality disorder, just a consistently lawless mindset, which doesn't invalidate her ability or sometime willingness to do what is right. Just weeks after joining his ragtag family of lost and damaged souls, Kasabian was entwined in the brutal bloodbath that became known around the world as the Tate-LaBianca murders. PS: according to her cross examination at the Watson trial she was also arrested in Haight-Ashbury in 1967. Manson family member Linda Kasabian has passed away. That's hardly her doing. I find some of the holes {depending on what one may see as a hole} lead to interesting places but still nowhere that dents her essential picture of what happened.Or for purposes of this blog do they show an alternative narrative to what is the official narrativeIn terms of why they were put away, I've yet to be convinced that the alternatives proposed have been what actually took place. Everyone can form their own about Linda. Just give us something that casts aside every other piece of evidence that went into the patchwork that eventually made up the case.It'll need to be substantial though.because NONE of them said anything about what took place after LaBianca, until Kasabian got her deal. MM said: This supports the copy cat motive. Who should we rely upon? Sure, I see all that but what are the statistics for us on this site related to those issues? How would she have heard anything Linda said, especially when you take into account that Linda's statement was issued to Susan ?Secondly, how would Pat know how much of a willing participant Linda was ? How do you know it would have been a black service member? lol your insight is interesting reading.. Furthermore, Charlie sent her back the next day so he couldn't have been too bothered about it.Considering over a little more than three months prior to the murders she didn't have a valid one, I WOULD SAY she didn'tOf course you would !I could be wrongBut you'd never admit it if you were.That's why she denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders, but accidentally slipped up and supplied information helpful with TateYou surely cannot be speaking about the tape recording Leslie did with Marvin Part.Denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders ? And the wallet, as you've pointed out, was found on Parent.You don't agree. We all know that the Saint is a good guy. A lot of what has happened to Linda is my fault," she has admitted. What if she wouldn't have testified? She, like all of us, was/is a flawed person but not totally on the dark side. Susan herself brought it up when speaking initially with Howard & Graham. Grim, I love you to death and read everything you post but you have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficult. There was little to tie Charlie to the crimes. That's why anything said after a leading question should be tossed in the waste binDo you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?So I'm not trying to prove Kasabian is actually lying. You are correct. She seized the opportunity to escape, leaving her daughter Tanya behind because the child had been taken to a remote location with other Manson family children. I think if it has any legs it makes it worse if they were stalking the house- can you say 'premeditation' or 'conspiracy'. In fact, one strangely consistent matter during the entire investigation was that of Linda being "the one that didn't kill anyone." But NOW, "drunkenness" is considered to be the by-product of a DISEASE. She was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate murders in 1969. ", A: "Because nobody ever said that to me, and I did have a father hang-up. St Circumstance saidBut not Linda. Even to this day, what makes HS so strong is that it kept on coming up. MM, Thank you on the PK- I didn't recall her saying it was but didn't know.I think you have to be a bit careful. ID of S.E. It was at night and I had no knowledge of what was happening until we actually got there." But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. Oh and I don't think the events are clear long before Jay Sebring is shot. Manson Mythos saidif you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job.AND it will NOW likely come out that "joining a local police force" was the perfect safe-haven for those WHO only thought of themselves - FIRST.IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might find.Like Johnny MaCain, our GREASTEST surviving war HERO shot down from HIS airplane in Vietnam. When he meets up with or has contact with Pat, she waives extradition, even though she's told Claude Brown she's scared of Manson finding & killing her. Some people are just wired differently and motivated by different things. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. I wonder if that cabinet they found Manson in was more importantyou know, you had to go through a wardrobe to get there. She admits to stabbing Rosemary in it mate ! It is time to bring the world-wide struggle- the war, back to the US to raise up the black man and bring down capitalism. Could Watson Have Conspired With Suzan LaBerge??? Given that she says all this in more or less the same group of sentences {in Robert's book}, which is it ? But what happened before and after that. Always was. So that's who I listen to. Nothing new. After the bulk of her testifying, the judge was petitioned and he signed the papers.How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? Her testimony was considered to be the most dramatic segment of the very long trial, and it received an unprecedented amount of news media coverage. Low level of intelligence: Blanket judging others as having a low level of intelligence because they don't agree with you on your low intellect, racist ideas.Manson Mythos, Obama is:Community organizerAttorneyConstitutional law professorState SenatorUS SenatorPOTUSNobel LaureateManson Mythos:Angry racist moron. It would be like cutting Hitler slack.Still, I have seen in my life so so many others that I considered good folk pour a bunch of chemicals in their brains and take paths of destruction and violence. 'Drunkenness' is perhaps the perfect example of a mental controversy ? Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury. Over the years, Kasabian avoided and refused most news media attention. Clearly, in his eyes he is as highly qualified to judge as God. But again, while Susan was playing ball, Linda was surplus to requirements.and helping her knock Atkins out of the boxThat's the part I really don't believe. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? That Tex was the nicest guy. The cast of The Trial of Linda Kasabian - 2013 includes: Dane Bowman as Manson Sarah Chaney as Kanarek Katerina Gagkas as Linda Paul Guay as Judge Genevieve Joy as Sadie Gretchen Krull as Katie Sean Ross as Bugliosi Jonathon ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Yeah, all true. That gave me an insight that Bugliosi & Gentry's book doesn't even hint at, though it initially inspired it. Linda Kasabian is living in Oklahoma, near her daughter Tanya and her family. But this has always been subject to alteration, progression, sideways steps, change, being unwise, you know, life. She told the jury her perception of what time they arrived at Cielo Drive given they had no clocks. Dreath saidI think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit todayThere's a lot of truth in that. Saint, no apology is necessary. Like the silly hitchhiking story about Wilson, I now wonder if her account of meeting with the Spahn circle wasn't another white wash. St Circumstance saidThe "They had really bad backgrounds and nowhere else to turn" sympathy is appropriate in cases like.It's paradoxical. I care less about her past as she killed no one! Ruth's Mum wasn't in agreement with Dean and his changes. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." I get why people get pissy over Deb Tate and Bugs. (Four) - $1 bills; serial #L713312991, #FS70065680, #G10854391G, #R74795353B.She didn't- from the Police Property Report (from the coroner)- the wallet is there, his glasses are not (sorry, couldn't resist). Later, Cineflix, a production company in the United Kingdom and Canada, produced a docu-drama called Manson, in which Kasabian appears, telling her story in complete detail for the first time. I care what holes there are in her testimony and where those holes actually lead. Earlier, a Miami woman testified Mrs. Kasabian, 21, is a liar, but trial Judge Charles H. Older ordered a portion of that I think what might have happened with Atkins instead of Kasabian is you might not be talking as much about Helter Skelter as a motive. Lets say Charlie did orchestrate the crimes and he had some private or secret motivation only a very few were aware of. "She obviously neglected to mention that she got into Steven Parent's car. var part3 = "David at Mansonblog dot com"; I think part of where our paths parallel instead of cross is training. HS crawled in 4th out of 6.Personally, I suspect that the ease and commonality with which Helter skelter is dismissed reflects a discomfort with the notion of God communicating, religion and the spiritual realm being taken seriously. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". Of course, "robbery" also STIMULATES a capitalist society. Im open to another motive and assuming there probably is one, but cant find the same evidence for it that I can for H/S- all am I saying By the way Dreath - if you have never seen it you can go to Back Porch Tapes and watch the video of Beatrice Berry Show- or Bertrice Berry? This might have been tried as a felony murder case like Van Houten III. But Linda was left to her own devices and ended up pretty much where she had been heading long before July 4th, '69. Man, that got ugly in a hurry. Amazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trial. Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. That's why she denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders, but accidentally slipped up and supplied information helpful with Tate. 31 Cross examination of star prosecution witness Linda Kasabian got under way yesterday after the young woman testified Charles Manson gave her direct orders to kill an actor who lived in Venice. Many thanks to you, Dreath. In Robert's book, there is some discussion on this that is quite interesting.But either way, it's a red herring. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. It's questionable to anybody with an objectionable mind who can smell bullshit. She married Robert Kasabian but that marriage turned sour she still held on. Her association with substance abusers was still the same. Later, No other reason." And to ziggy, Lynne penny and the rest you are welcome and thank you your comments mean a lot and inspire me. It was the year 73. But it's still 'spin'. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. Or even implicate him.Based upon what ex-members recently revealed about the Hinman murder and DeCarlo, the maker who interviewed these people believes that DeCarlo should and hopefully WILL be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Or was she there to cheek, or kester the comatose, old duff's meds? How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important question and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. "Furthermore, to varying degrees the women believed in their cause. And let's not even go there with Tex and his backward Shakespearean mono~dimensional twang. I find in life very few things to be binary, black and white {no pun intended}. It had to be her DL and it was rejected due to being expired it.This supports the copy cat motive. That is o.k. Her background should have had a greater impact. If Perry and other legal dramas were like real life in courtrooms, few would watch them !You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability"That's partly why people on trial will dress "respectably." Charlie has opened a slight window on why Tex was picked, George on the others. Dreath saidWhen Patti Tate asks Good why her sister had to die. I have to thank Matt and Deb as they did the formatting and such due to my questionable computer skills. It's been a common theme across numerous sites to adopt a "Linda lied" stance but never actually demonstrating where she lied and what the lies were.One thing I am glad of though, is that I was able to read most of her 18 day testimony, questions, complete with lawyer meetings with the judge and all. WebLOS ANGELES, Jul. She returned for her a few months later, after the ranch was raided and Tanya was placed in foster care. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. Neither Susan nor Linda were major league contributors to HS in the grand scheme of things.I guess we'll never know, but there are many people wondering how different things would have been had Pat never daubed "Healter Skelter" on the LaBianca's fridge.There are several occasions where he brings out testimony he doesn't need for a conviction just to make her look goodThere are more than several occasions when Kanarek brings out testimony he doesn't really need just to make her look bad. That's what I mean by not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Those people would of gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watson. I don't know anyone who defends the victims who thinks she is any kind of a heroBut again. Both of her parents remarried a short time later, and her father moved to Miami, Florida. On a different note: RH- nice post. And wherever she tripped up, she corrected herself somewhere later. Manson Mythos saidWhen one looks at this case, it's almost miraculous that Vincent Bugliosi had a scenario that answered so many important questions and that the answers all seemed to help his case greatlyIs that not what one might expect when, from a number of disparate sources, details and events match up and dovetail ? There were a number of details like this that came out, even worse ones during the Watson trial. Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witness and helping her knock Atkins out of the box. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? I embarrass myself when I insult anyone let along groups of people. Which scares people in a society where every wants to blame a white man for personal or political gain. 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